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Why Hillary Clinton is a Terrible Choice as Obama's Secretary of State

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What's needed is a new approach to foreign policy and the trouble with Hillary is that she comes with all the baggage of that Clinton era – the attempt to reach a Middle East peace balanced in favour of Israel, the reach to express US predominance in the post-Cold War, the re-ordering of alliances in Asia in favour of India against Pakistan and China against its neighbours and much more.

The only element that Hillary Clinton added in her time as New York Senator was a progressively more and more openly pro-Zionist stance, while the major swerve in Obama's foreign policy statements during the presidential election was to become more overt in his support of the Israeli government.

That's not going to help when the task requires a whole new approach to the Middle East and the way Washington defines its role in the new world of resurgent Islam, growing regionalisation of politics and waning American prestige and economic clout.

Robert Gates continuing as Defense Secretary, General James Jones as National Security Adviser and Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State – these are not names to conjure up the promise of change or renewal.

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{"commentId":4217282,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

If nothing else, Hillary's pro-Israel stance would doom her effectiveness to negotiate a Middle East peace agreement--why would the Palestinians not expect her to be pro-Israel?

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  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:27 AM EST
{"commentId":4218059,"authorDomain":"JoeBpsplk"}

The Obama administration sets policy based on currrent thinking and current events.  Bill Clinton was president 8 years ago and Hillary was first lady then, not Senator.  First of all, Obama has the final say in foreign policy, and Hillary Clinto will carry that out.  Secondly, why would you believe that policy would not evolve with the times?  Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are certainly not stuck in the past, and they base current policies on history and current events.  It's presumptuous for you to tell us how Hillary views foreign policy with Israel and the Middle East today, and to say that she would push a personal agenda instead of that of the Obama administration.

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  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:01 AM EST
{"commentId":4218088,"authorDomain":"JoeBpsplk"}

A major mistake that some people make is to think that the United States can not be both pro-Istrael and pro-Middle East.  Choosing one side over the other will cause strife and wars.

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  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:06 AM EST
{"commentId":4218530,"authorDomain":"seastar"}

There is a pro-Israel bias in the US as a whole and much of that is directly attributable to the extremist Islamic violence of recent decades. While we can debate the causes of that violence all day long, it won't change the prevailingl American perspective. If Obama is to steer a more realistic and nuanced course he needs to start with America's current outlook and gradually steer it to the center. A radical change in policy would soon undermine his credibility and that would not do anything for the peace process. As an outspoken supporter of Israel Clinton can be a more effective advocate for an increasingly nuanced and realistic approach in the Middle East than Obama himself, a point the Independent seems to have completely missed.  It would of course be most helpful if European leadership would be more vocal in the matter. A demand for a complete cessation in the construction of new settlements by Israel would be a good start.  

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  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:09 AM EST
{"commentId":4218840,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

Dear Joe and seastar....

Joe, your last contribution says it all--the US can be pro-Israel and pro-Middle East.  So I ask you: CAN THE US BE PRO-PALESTINE AND PRO-ISRAEL?  That's the real question.  What is your nuanced answer?

seastar--the US support for Israel goes way back.  It is not directly attributable to extremist Islamist violence.  It is directly attributable to the Israeli Lobby and its political influence in U.S. politics.  As for a demand that the construction of new settlements cease, this demand has been made continually by the U.S. from the presidency of Ronald Reagan and likely earlier.

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  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:54 AM EST
{"commentId":4218951,"authorDomain":"seastar"}

truthlover --

I agree that US support does go way back, no doubt due to our judeo-christian roots. The Israeli lobby has influence upon our national policy but not the average American's perspective. That is where extremist violence has the greater impact. As to the settlements I would argue that America has never wielded its big stick and a bit more courage from Europe might prove helpful.

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  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:12 PM EST
{"commentId":4219242,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

Hi seastar,

Actually, Reagan did threaten to weild the big stick, got the Israelis to promise to stop building settlements, but it was a hollow promise.

The US does not need support from Europeans to influence Israel.  All we need to do is to threaten to (you choose) either cut off our $3Billion dollars a year in "no questions asked" aid OR to give an equal amount of aid to the Palestinians. 

As for the American public, that's not who we are talking about--though if they were better informed that might do better to strengthen those who want an even-handed policy by the U.S. toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

We are talking about politicians and public policy and, in that context, Hillary Clinton is an abysmal choice for a president-elect who is claiming to institute real change.

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  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:59 PM EST
{"commentId":4219649,"authorDomain":"joelearley"}

Seastar, our slant towards isreal goes back more than christian judeo or lobbys....we were the proponent for Isreal getting their country. We've been there since the begining....as a matter of fact the islamic extremism against the U.S. was born from this.

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  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:09 PM EST
{"commentId":4221086,"authorDomain":"seastar"}

My point is that US policy (Obama) can't outrun public sentiment by more than a narrow margin. It is going to take a center-right Israeli leader to sell that country on a peace treaty and it will take a moderate American politician to get the American public behind any evenhanded US led peace drive. While Clinton has consistently taken pro-Israel public positions, certainly in part for political reasons, she is smart enough to know that there are two sides to the problem and that peace will require major compromise on both sides. I did not support Clinton's presidential bid but I do think she could be exactly the right person to negotiate for peace in the Middle East. We do need European support because neither Israel nor the Palestinians can be given much wiggle room.  Ironically, I have little doubt that both will thrive once peace arrives.

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    #1.8 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:35 PM EST
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    {"commentId":4217441,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}

    I'm heartened that some critics are bold enough to say these things. Sen. Clinton is beholden to her vocal constituents. She made a deal with some voters (in Orange county's Hasidic Jewish enclave of Kiryas Joel) in order to win their support over her newfangled challenger, Rick Lazio. Within months of that deal a $10 million dolllar taxpayer-funded hospital was built to serve this community only. This came on the heels of another taxpayer-funded special interest project, a public school for special needs children in K.J. that was built during NY Governor Mario Cuomo's administration.

    American politicians invariably do become staunch supporters of Israel, and Pres.-elect Obama has already signalled that he's leaning in that direction, too. The change he spoke of is less likely to occur when he keeps Pres. Bush's staff and reappoints Pres. Clinton's old team.

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      Reply#2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:54 AM EST
      {"commentId":4218915,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

      I am heartened by this too.  Notice that you have only received my vote as of now... but those who are pro-Clinton and, likely, pro-Israel have reaped a number of votes.  Just coincidence?  I doubt it!

      People will continue to speak out on these issues.  The cat is out of the bag but everone's afraid of getting scratched.  Even a high UN official spoke a few days ago of Israeli apartheid toward the Palestinians--he said it was even worse than it had been in South Africa.

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      • 2 votes
      #2.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:06 PM EST
      {"commentId":4219673,"authorDomain":"joelearley"}

      I'm in agreement....it's funny too...I feel like a middle easterner in regards like this....I have no animosity towards Jews, I seriously dislike Isreal though, in this country it seems one cannot differentiate that.

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      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:12 PM EST
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      {"commentId":4217672,"authorDomain":"TheEarthIsTheLORDs"}

      No, I think Senator Clinton would be more beholden to our next President Barack Hussein Obama.   She would serve at the pleasure of the President, let's remember.  All through the democratic primaries and debates, the media touted how there was so little difference on issues, foreign policy for one, between the two candidates.  Moreover Senator Clinton is a woman of integrity and plenary good sense, if she felt for any reason that she could not fullfill the duties of Sec'y of State in an Obama Cabinet for whatever reason, she would graciously decline.  If he felt she could not, he would not have offered.

      The United States considers Israel to be one of its staunchest allies.  President Obama has more than merely 'signaled' such support.  'On Israel's 60th anniversary,  . . . it was no surprise then to hear Obama tell CNN's Wolf Blitzer that when he is president  America will stay glued to Israel, "not just for 60 years but for 600 years." ' That's more than just a signal.

      We're not to look to or at the staff of former presidents on the next President's staff, even if they were to comprise his entire cabinet.   During the campaign, Barack Obama made clear that he would be willing to work with whomever regardless of political stripe to accomplish what is needed in America.  He is doing just what he said he would, not playing partisan games.  He's selecting the very best in America.

      President(elect) Obama is not a weak man.  He's not a stupid one.  Everyone he's hires will know who is boss.  Guaranteed.  If, in his wisdom, President (elect) Obama has chosen  these eminently qualified people to fill these positions, we can be assured this is his way to bring about the aforementioned "change" so necessary and desired for our nation.

      He said only just this week,

      "Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost," he said. "It comes from me. That's my job, to provide a vision in terms of where we are going and to make sure then that my team is implementing [that vision]."

      We can trust him or doubt him.  Given his track record, I choose to trust him.

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      • 5 votes
      Reply#3 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:59 AM EST
      {"commentId":4218861,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

      Let's see now if I understand this.  He wants to provide vision... and then appoints an extremely pro-Israeli Secretary of State.  Isn't that like providing more of the same?  There were lots of people out there who were more neutral--e.g., Bill Richardson, who would have (and still could) make a remarkably able Secretary of State.

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      • 1 vote
      #3.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:58 AM EST
      {"commentId":4221004,"authorDomain":"TheEarthIsTheLORDs"}

      Truthlover,  your preoccupation on this vine has been with the Palestinians.  Think back as far as you can.  What American dignitary would you say has been pro- Palestinian in any peace talks?  And which pro-Palestinian dignitary has been successful in bringing lasting, enduring peace to the Middle East? 

       I challenge you to find or name any diplomat who has been successful in bring long-lasting peace because he/she was pro-Palestinian. 

      All through the campaigns, Barack Obama kept using the phrase "aggressive diplomacy".  Who comes to mind when you think "aggressive diplomacy"?  But Senator Clinton! 

       Look it up, "aggressive diplomacy", see there, a picture of Senator Clinton.   

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      • 1 vote
      #3.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:12 PM EST
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      {"commentId":4217880,"authorDomain":"beagles4me"}

      It is good to look at the past, it is bad to predict the future whne you have only the past to look at. I think Ms. Cliton will work for the new president and not for a demographic group.

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      • 4 votes
      Reply#4 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:33 AM EST
      {"commentId":4217938,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

      I believe Hillary is a good choice who will work hard for new administration. Just my inference gathered by years of watching the sport of politics.

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      • 5 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:42 AM EST
      {"commentId":4218896,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

      Interesting you should say that... my guess is that your politics mirrors your friends above who are pro-Israel.  What do you think?  Good guess?

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      • 1 vote
      #5.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:03 PM EST
      {"commentId":4219438,"authorDomain":"jade-log"}

      Trolling is not admirable.

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      • 1 vote
      #5.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:32 PM EST
      {"commentId":4219820,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

      I don't have many friends as I am a Vietnam Veteran and  loner, I could care less about Israel. The near extinction of the middle-class and my belief that Democrats are true fiscal conservatives would be closer to the truth as I see it. I am a science minded logical person who also thinks smart is a better choice than false ideology......?

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      • 3 votes
      #5.3 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:40 PM EST
      {"commentId":4220157,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

      jade-log... what the blazes is "trolling"?

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      • 3 votes
      #5.4 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:04 PM EST
      {"commentId":4220587,"authorDomain":"Rixar13"}

      I've been called much worse than that.

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      • 1 vote
      #5.5 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:12 PM EST
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      {"commentId":4218937,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Hillary is a much stronger world presence than Condolezza Rice ever was or could hope to be.  She isn't soft-sided or maliable and not easily to the corner will she cower. She has that Madeline Albright backbone of steel presence.

      Something tells me that if she did not fully understand, support and accept Obama and his philosophies, his style of governance or politics she would not have even allowed herself to be vetted. Surely, there are self-serving reasons then again what high-functioning High-Mach politician doesn't?

      A lot of this conjecture about her being a good choice or a bad choice is just basing it on the past and what we saw on a campaign trail. We will not know the results or the beginning of results for about year.

      Voice your bias but reserve true judgement when it counts.

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      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:09 PM EST
      {"commentId":4219257,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

      Ahh, yes, Madame Albright--who thought causing the deaths of 500, 000 Iraqi children was worth it.  Charming lady to compare Hillary with.

      We do choose a Secretary of State depending on her or his resume--which is always past stuff.  There's no bias here, just a very deep concern.

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      • 2 votes
      #6.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:02 PM EST
      {"commentId":4219296,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Well perhaps if there had been more, very deep concern the last 8 years would not have occured.

      I stated Hillary has the same backbone of steel as Mrs. Albright nothing else.

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        #6.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:08 PM EST
        {"commentId":4219710,"authorDomain":"joelearley"}

        Hmmm, as liberal as i am, and as anti-B ush as I am...I still think he should have asked Condi Rice to stay on. Yeah, she was Georges "go to" person but, she's a very smart cookie, and i would have to disagree with GGM on this, I do think she has more on the ball internationally than Hillary. Ghadafi sure respected the way she handled business!

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          #6.3 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:18 PM EST
          {"commentId":4219890,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

          I am not disagreeing or arguing that Condi Rice is one smart woman and probably a moderate antithesis to Bush. She was great at Stanford as Provost although now I don't think it would be a great fit if she returned there as has been offered.

          I do believe she lost her way during the GWB years though and perhaps in time will fair much better than her boss with her own legacy and probably stands a better chance at recovering her image and perhaps become a go to person of note and respect for Obama since she has direct experince with all this ME issues that have cropped up in the last 8 years.

          I like Condi Rice, always have, as a Bay Area girl and a Stanford fan, I was beyond pleased when she transtioned over to WDC and was made SOS.  She unfortunately, had a horrible boss and a difficult set of policies to deal with and contend with.

          She is to be comended and respected. I just think when it comes to muscle Hillary has it more in spades perhaps a little bit more overtly than CR.

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            #6.4 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:57 PM EST
            {"commentId":4220372,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

            Condi Rice is smart, no doubt, but she's not honest and is willing to be fully heartless.  Not honest: if you read some of her talks where she's defending a horrible policy, she'll start off plausibly but--and this is her smarts--slip toward the conclusion as if it followed.  As for heartless, I recall, during the bombing of Lebonon by Israel, she kept saying that it wasn't time yet for a cease-fire, that [Israeli's] objectives needed to be met--as women and children were murdered daily.  The entire world, except for Israel and the U.S., wanted a cease-fire... that's pretty heartless.

            So, while I agree she's smart, I think she is not to be commended but condemned and not respected but charged as a war criminal.

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            • 2 votes
            #6.5 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:05 PM EST
            {"commentId":4221225,"authorDomain":"joelearley"}

            Well, in regards to the "cease fire" part...I see it this way. Isreal was taking a load of crap for quite some time before they struck back, and it was us that was restraining them. when we finally said "Ok, go kick their butts" It needed to be a sound and debilitating butt kicking. While I can sympathise with the Palestinians as a people, Hezbolla and for that matter, the PLO have for generations used their own people as human shields while they carry on attacks, except in the rare occasion when a lone martyr blows himself up...not in a government building but at a bazaar, or a bus, or somewhere plenty of the same innocent population of Isrealis congregate. So, in that instance I have to agree with Condi in her actions...a decisive suffering had to be felt and if voices were raised the argument would be turned back on to Hezbolla and PLO for doing such to trigger the response.

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              #6.6 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:16 PM EST
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              {"commentId":4219056,"authorDomain":"kbd"}

              uhh news for the rest of the world.  the us is pro israel.  our sec of state will be pro israel, no matter who it is. 

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              • 2 votes
              Reply#7 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:27 PM EST
              {"commentId":4219267,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

              Don't think so and degree also makes a difference.  Joe Liberman is the most pro-Israeli senator and to pick him, for example, would have been even more terrible.  But Hillary has a strong pro-Israeli posture.  Picking someone like Bill richardson would have been very different and much nearer to neutral on this crucial issue in the Middle East.

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              • 2 votes
              #7.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:04 PM EST
              {"commentId":4219352,"authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}

              Very much so, truthlover.

              And the Palestinians & other Arabs will most likely be much more accomodating to someone seen as being more neutral & fair like Richardson, as opposed to someone highly partisan like Hillary or Lieberman.

              The President-Elect has a great deal of goodwill from Arabs, so hopefully he wont squander it by picking someone who is seen as too pro-Israeli/anti-Arab.

              or hopefully HRC will adopt a much more neutral & fair stance.

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              • 1 vote
              #7.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:17 PM EST
              {"commentId":4219484,"authorDomain":"roxanne1000"}

              i should have added: the arabs will be more accomodating to a SOS seen as fair & non-partisan, in accepting any future Peace Deal that is not quite to their liking.

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              • 1 vote
              #7.3 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:41 PM EST
              {"commentId":4219721,"authorDomain":"joelearley"}

              Well, in Hillary's defense on that...The Arabs and Persians have an enormous respect for Bill Clinton...I have the assumption they will give her a chance to see where she stands.

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                #7.4 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:21 PM EST
                {"commentId":4219775,"authorDomain":"truthlover"}

                I hope you are right... but note that this is already starting a bit behind... we're hoping for a openness that might not be there given her history of bias....  how much better to start with a less biased SOS?.... as for the enormous respect for Bill Clinton, the Palestinians knew he was not supporting a fair and balanced deal the last time out... I'm not sure how much respect the Palestinians have for the Clintons...

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                • 1 vote
                #7.5 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:30 PM EST
                {"commentId":4221256,"authorDomain":"joelearley"}

                Well, I cannot say I have been to Palestine, and I cannot go to Isreal ( If I did, then admission to many of the Islamic countries I do visit would be denied) But by and large of the Arabs I do know and the ones in random I speak of politics with, saw Clinton as a clear thinking and fair individual even in the terms with the Palestinians. Many Arabs conceded that the Palestinians were trying to make a "car deal" rather than a fair agreement, meaning they would ask for the moon and then haggle their way in to an agreement all the while making loud and whining noises about opression. It's those sound bites that got picked up and carried as propaganda to vilanise Isreal and The US.

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                  #7.6 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:25 PM EST
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                  {"commentId":4267718,"authorDomain":"d-smith"}

                  I'd like to refer you to my address, or however you find me in the vine to read a comment I made on a story about pedophilia in the Orthodox community of Jews in Brooklyn.

                  I'm getting sick and tired of watching CSPAN with one right wing lobby from Israel, or supported by Jews telling us to fight their wars.  We are in a proxy war between Iran and the US in Iraq and Afganistan, and India has terrorism now.

                  I am sick of people like Liberman who is a turncoat and might as well say outloud that all he is concerned with is Israel, but he is not.  I heard he supported a blind school in Connecticut, but that doesn't make him any hero.

                  The idea in changing our government is to let the new President-Elect show us the way.  We finally have a leader that is ready to take responsibility for forging ahead and cleaning up the horrible world crises he inherits from Bush I and Bush II.  Clinton's legacy is that he balanced the budget after the republicans talked about it for years.  Meanwhile, we are going on major, major BAILOUT MODE SO WATCH OUT EVERYONE, THE BUBBLE HAS BURST. THERE IS NO MORE MONEY, OR JOBS, SO DO WHAT YOUR NEW PRESIDENT SAYS AND BE A HELPER. 

                  Bush is raiding the till on the way out of the store with this bailout and he's a crook along with his friends, his father's friends, Carl Rove, Lindsay Graham, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Wall St. brokers, and anybody who gets paid to watch someone's money... remember it is Other People's Money they are taking.  It is criminal what Paulson has done to make things go down even more.  Confidence in our government is what gives this country its economic strength, and honesty, not like in the Middle East where everyone (expects bakshish) is on the take and people can be bought,  Don't doubt Hillary's motives, Shut-up and stop criticizing her long enough to show a little respect.  Remember she was actually a victim of a vast, right-wing conspiricy, but now is has been exposed,.  To the ones who know what I am talking about, please let me know,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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                    Reply#8 - Tue Dec 2, 2008 9:56 PM EST
                    {"commentId":4267749,"authorDomain":"d-smith"}

                    sorry, I had to get all that out...

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                      Reply#9 - Tue Dec 2, 2008 9:59 PM EST
                      {"commentId":4269199,"authorDomain":"Tinaorange"}

                      This seems like tit for tat.  Maybe so.  Maybe not.   The Presidency is a very powerful tool to do many things,  good things.  I sort of feel that Hillary Clinton is not suited for this Secretary of State job.  I feel you can run a country without having any old cliches' attached.  It's like washing dirty clothes without detergent in a sense.  Not speaking low or bad of Mrs. Clinton but the somewhat same old people.  Start afresh,  anew.  Even a newbie can make good differences.

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                        Reply#10 - Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:32 AM EST
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