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Bush dynasty heir Jeb Bush becoming the latest 'white knight' candidate in GOP presidential race: Former Florida governor was critical of current field in a speech this week, prompting rumours he could be a surprise contender

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Bush, the brother of President George W Bush and son of President George Bush Sr, is a beloved figure among many conservatives who see him as a strong and charismatic leader who is popular in the must-win swing state of Florida.

That contrasts with a widespread unease among many Republican leaders and grassroots activists with the remaining crop of Republican candidates and the vitriolic nature of the fight between frontrunner Mitt Romney and his main challengers Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich.

In answers to questions from the audience after a speech in Dallas on Thursday, Bush cautioned the remaining Republican campaigns from drifting so far to the right that they put off the key independent voters needed to beat President Barack Obama in November.

"I think it's important for the candidates to recognise though they have to appeal to primary voters, and not turn off independent voters that will be part of a winning coalition," Bush told the audience according to CBS news.

Bush also directly took on the strident tone of recent Republican debates, accusing participants of scare-mongering rather than trying to get them to look over the horizon for a broader perspective.  

With Mitt Romney failing so far to secure the nomination but with no convincing challenger emerging to unseat him, many Republican pundits have speculated about the possibility that none of the current field will be able to amass enough support to secure the nomination this August in Tampa without an old-fashioned contested convention.

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truthlover

That would make for a different nominating process for the Republicans--the Bush who was groomed for the presidency 12 years ago now bouncing back with a strong southern base.

Coh please.

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Reply#1 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:45 PM EST
Bart Gruzalski

truthlover, this seems to be a badly underappreciated seed. Jeb Bush would make a very dangerous opponent to anyone in the Democratic rank, especially to Obama who has lost his progressive base and his youth base by not standing up and fighting for central policies like the public option, raising taxes for the right, de-escalating Afghanisan, and much much more.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:30 AM EST
truthlover

I've gotta agree with you Bart. I would've thought this would be top news. Jeb Bush could make a huge difference in the race. I hae been told that his wife has been possibly or maybe or conceivably allegedly caught for shoplifting, but such things like AWOL or more have never stood between a Bush and a public office.

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:23 AM EST
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truthlover

For all of you who don't want to turn the page, here's a bit more:

Many Republican pundits have speculated about the possibility that none of the current field will be able to amass enough support to secure the nomination this August in Tampa.

Though that is still unlikely, and Romney remains favourite to win the contest, it has led to a slew of names being mentioned as possible "white knights" who could still enter the race or emerge at Tampa as a compromise candidate to unite a splintered party. They include Bush, New Jersey governor Chris Christie, Indiana governor Mitch Daniels and Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan.

Though none of these figures have expressed any intention to run, and several have repeatedly denied it, Bush's comments are likely to set the rumour mill spinning furiously.

They also come after Tea Party favourite Sarah Palin entered the fray, raising the idea that she might see herself as her party's saviour. In recent interviews the former Alaska governor has said she would "help" out the party if a contested convention happened and told CNN earlier this month that she believed such an event would be a good thing. "I don't think it would be a negative for the party … That's part of the competition, that's part of the process and it may happen," she said.

Ron Paul's campaign has also complicated matters. Though the libertarian-leaning Texan congressman has not yet won a single state's popular ballot, he is trying to build up a large number of delegates to take to Tampa. In caucus states, where complex rules mean the number of delegates assigned to a candidate can outweigh their score in the popular vote, Ron Paul's campaign is working hard to win as much support as possible. That could see him amass a body of delegates in Tampa that far exceeds his standings in the polls and makes a contested convention, with no one having enough support to secure victory,

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Reply#3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:15 AM EST
bestquest

We may know this coming Wednesday if brokered convention closer. If so, there are other solid republicans who can lead America. Most people probably would not mind a centrist republican president, or a progressive such as Teddy Roodevelt.

Maybe Borwnback of Kansas.

Maybe Jesse Ventura of Minnesota.

There is a strategic and tactical advantage for republicans to choose a new candidate at the second thru 7th vote in August at the convention. Traditionally, there is about 10 weeks of campaigning and the new candidate offsets the democrats money and negative ads.

Pulling the rabbit out the hat, Petraeus, or a Bush will not work. Obama does not have the youth adulation, at least here. Many Ron Paul fans and this is OK. All of his ideas will not be enacted into our society, but some will about 15 years from now.

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Reply#4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:43 AM EST
Bart Gruzalski

bestquest, Oh heart, be still! (That's supposed to be dramatic poetry and I'm sure it is at least somewhere in Shakespeare but where? Does anyone know?)

Are you really serious that you think Jesse has a chance? That would be grand. Here's why I'm dubious (actually there are a lot of other reasons too, but this has to do with party affiliation):

Ventura first entered politics as Mayor of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota from 1991 to 1995. He ran as the Reform Party candidate in the Minnesota gubernatorial election of 1998, running a campaign centered on grassroots events and unusual ads that implored citizens not to "vote for politics as usual". The campaign was successful, and Ventura served from January 4, 1999, to January 6, 2003, without running for a second term.

I am under the impression that he is not a Republican, so wouldn't that make a difference? Even if he were a Republican, I would be amazed if he became a "dark horse" candidate. I'd probably bet against you or anyone giving you 10 to 1 odds that he would not be the candidate. I think he'd be a delightfully refreshing POTUS but for reasons we don't need to go into here, I think the probabilities are pretty close to zero (if you accepted a 10-1 best, I think you'd regret it--again, unfortunately, since I think he's be great).

Isn't this coming Wednesday a week to early? Isn't Super Tuesday on March 6th? Why would you choose February 29th as the day we'll know. I could well be missing something so please let me know if I am missing something and what it is. Thanks.

As far as a real convention, I think that would be great for the American people as well as great for the Republicans if the outcome were a viable candidate. The conventions for many years have been these pre-arranged Hollywood musicals punctuated by speeches and votes at the moments in prime time when the advertisers, or whoever schedules these boring conventions, think the most Americans might watch (yawn). I much preferred the old timer conventions: people marching in the aisles, carrying signs, nomination speeches, votes taken, and an outcome that rarely favored the time which the pharmaceutical or insurance industries would have chosen as best--for example, the contest might end at 3AM EST. They were great.

Just to be clear, I was a strong Obama supporter the last time around. I'm probably what you'd call a progressive. From my view, Obama showed himself a failure as the president of change and hope, never fought for the Middle Class or the working people of our nation, and basically extended the worst policies of Bush II while pretending otherwise. I have a large number of progressive friends who will not vote for him whoever his opponent is (and I mean whoever--if Sarah were resurrected, they still wouldn't support Obama nor would I). I personally think Obama's actually worse than Bush II not only because of his 1% policies and his deep commitment to military expansionism and the military-industrial complex, but because he's rhetoric (his only skill) threw people off for many months and even over a year. His choice of Geithner should have awakened all of us immediately but I, as many others, kept hoping he was picking a can-do cabinet who would follow his leadership rather than a deep insider cabinet who was maintaining business as usual.

Sorry I got so caught up in my comment but I've just had a grand cup of tea and some delicious dark chocolate. Any comments on this from anyone, especially those who can argue against anything I just wrote, are most welcome.

Cheers, Bart

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:58 PM EST
bestquest

I do like Jesse. In business calls to minnesota, I always question what is their opinion of Jesse as governor. Always a positive response. Travelling, if I spot a Minn. license plate, I'll ask them about Jesse, again, always a positive response.

As a slovak he has two god given talents: sports and politics.

I voted for obama over hilary because I thought she would with hold medical. I was wrong.

I really try to look ahead a few years as to what will occur when this or that is voted upon in congress. Gotta laugh at 2011, nothing changed except the fans needed higher horsepower motors due to all the hot air.

People tell me that Obama was selected long ago to be prez. Time for a better rabbit.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:12 PM EST
Bart Gruzalski

bestquest, back to Jesse. Here's why I think he won't be on a ticket as P or VP:

1) he's not a Republican;

2) he speaks his mind even on issues where the "powers" would prefer he didn't. In particular, whatever you might think what actually happened on 9/11/01, Jesse bravely takes on the federal government on this one:

Confirmed sources in the Nigerian government tell us, in order to keep former Vice President Cheney out of prison for crimes involving Nigeria, $500,000,000 in bribes have been promised, negotiated by former President George H.W. Bush. Now, only a day later, Cheney faces possible charges, so many charges they can only be imagined, for planning the Pentagon attack on 9/11.

TV host, Jesse Ventura, former Navy Seal, former Governor of Minnesota, on a one hour documentary on prime-time American television, makes an open and shut criminal case tying Cheney, Rumsfeld and officials throughout the US government with complicity in the planning, execution and subsequent cover-up of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.

YouTube - Veterans Today -

According to experts on 9/11, engineers, pilots, intelligence officers and members of our military, Jesse Ventura “hit the nail on the head.” Ventura, using evidence developed over 9 years by hundreds of individuals, outlines the utter impossibility of the government’s cover story on 9/11 and systematically debunks it using testimony and scientific evidence.

Ventura cites, in an interview with a 9/11 commissioner, a possible motive for the Pentagon attack being included with the attacks on the World Trade Center. $2,300,000,000,000, yes 2.3 trillion US dollars had disappeared, cited only the day before in a televised statement by Secretary Rumsfeld, money “gone missing” from the Pentagon’s accounting. The area of the Pentagon hit by a missile or destroyed by explosives or both contained all records of this missing money.

NO PLANE, NO WAY, NOT EVEN CLOSE

Ventura proves, beyond any doubt that no airplane every hit the Pentagon. As the video shows, not even a highly trained airline pilot was capable of the maneuvers claimed. Long before, it had been proven that the 757 was incapable of the task, either the maneuvers or the speed and trajectory. The plane would have come apart, there is no disagreement with this and hasn’t been for some time, yet nothing had been done. Why?

It is also clearly shown that there is absolutely no evidence of any kind showing a plane hit the Pentagon, no wreckage, no bodies, no luggage. Items claimed to have been taken to Dover Air Force Base, bodies, plane parts, were never at the Pentagon as both video and testimony prove.

There is also proof that the government threatened witnesses, telling them to support the “aircraft scenario.”

NO MUSLIMS, NO HIJACKERS, NO BOX CUTTERS, ALL PROVEN LIES FINALLY

The basis for the conspiracy theory regarding Muslim hijackers with box cutters was based on supposed phone calls made by Barbara Olson, wife of Bush Solicitor General. Solicitor General Olson claimed he talked to his wife on a cell phone, spoke with her at length, while she described the hijackings as now dramatized by Hollywood. When it was proven that a cell phone is incapable of making such calls, Olson claimed it was a “seat back phone.” When it was proven that there were no seat back phones on American Airlines 757 aircraft, nothing further was asked.

Then investigations shows he received one call, lasting “0″ seconds. Ventura questions as to whether Olson was duped or complicit? Should he be arrested too? Was his wife, Barbara, ever really on the plane?

Then Ventura looks into the flight itself. Not only was the flight recorder “dead” but during the flight itself, the transponder was turned off. Even more suspicious, the plane disappeared from radar for 28 minutes.

There is no discussion of this 28 minutes, but speculation, perhaps no longer speculation, has long been that the flight landed. As to what happened then, we cannot guess, or can we. One of my friends, a former Pentagon official, had a friend on that aircraft. Not long ago, he asked me.

“Gordon, what do you think happened to him, do you think he was executed? Bullet in the brain as they stepped off the plane or something even worse?”

Ventura didn’t go there. None of us want to. It requires visualizing a scene out of Auschwitz.

Can Americans be so brutal, so devious, so traitorous? It isn’t just Jesse Ventura that is willing to risk his life to bring it out, Fox News journalist Geraldo Rivera, several weeks ago, debunked the Building 7 collapse at the World Trade Center as “controlled demolition.”

  • 3 votes
#5.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:59 PM EST
Bart Gruzalski

bestquest, wait until you read/listen to 5.2. The 1% couldn't tolerate that stuff. I'm overseas a lot of the time. The Europeans "know" it wasn't a bunch of Arabs with box cutters. I don't ever mention 9/11 in the states. There's a whole list of adjectives and nouns that immediately discredit you. So... bestquest, do you still think Jesse could come out of a contested convention as THE candidate for the office of THE man? I'd have given you 100 to 1 odds and even at that it'd be like stealing.

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:16 AM EST
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bestquest

Super Tuesday, so soon! I had no idea. Thought we had about 3 weeks of listening to cable TV panels before us. Likely, candidate(s) of the day will win the popularity votes and some delegates.

I am trying to find the Nixon votes in Chicago precincts in November 1960. They gotta be around here somewhere. Hmmmm, maybe I better look in the basement vault.

We don't nead no edecatin, we dunno need thot control. Just another brick in the wall.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:15 PM EST
Bart Gruzalski

bestquest, now you've got my head spinning.What did you mean when you wrote:

We may know this coming Wednesday if brokered convention closer

What's happening that might tell us by then?

Thanks again in advance.

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:19 AM EST
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